STWI Town Hall 5-16-25 

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[00:00:00] Ann: Right. we're, teaching level three this week. we decided to, add it to our week of adventure. this is about dialogue with you guys, with things that are truly interrelated to each other.

[00:00:11] And when we started to come up with topics for the webinar series for you guys, it's one of those things that, Chris is a absolute master at the art of an intake for clients when they first come in. And I, oh,

[00:00:27] shucks.

[00:00:28] Ann: And I, and I have to say that I have found one of the weakest things in the healthcare system, is how rushed people feel when they walk in to be seen and how little, time is spent to truly listen to their story.

[00:00:47] I'm gonna have Chris talk about, how important it is to truly take the time that people are, deserving to be heard.

[00:00:57] So one of my, mentors told me that 75% of your assessment of an initial visit of a person comes from the conversation. It's almost hard to believe,

[00:01:08] when you really listen, try to get in their head almost feel their pain. identify and be a good empath and feeling really, what are they talking about? Where are they coming from when they talk about anything along those lines of pain.

[00:01:23] And it comes from spending time. If you have someone with three problems, a neck issue and a shoulder issue, and a hip and maybe even a foot, what do you have time for? I always try to start with what's at the top of the list. What is the one thing you really want me to look at today?

[00:01:39] Knowing we have an hour I really want to help you pick something that we can start out with. 

[00:01:56] when I have someone with complex or chronic pain, I will spend, as much as 30 minutes. I know that sounds like a lot to you and maybe some of you have done that, but honestly in the end it's like you're a detective and you need to find the clues and spending 30 minutes with someone like that, for them to even just talk to you.

[00:02:17] They will say, they have said this to me many times. You are the first person that's actually taken the time to listen to what my problem is really about. If you just got that answer, We're off to a great start, and there's a chance we could make an impact, even though five other people tried and nothing changed.

[00:02:37] when you hear that, you need to spend the time with them because no one else did. listen between the lines, They can say things, but it's their tone they avoid your eyes when they talk about something versus they look in your eye and you pick up on these little different things, right?

[00:02:54] And that will inform your session, how gentle you will be, how much progress you'll make. Maybe not too much in the first session. So we can track what we're doing, what's working versus Oh my God, you're getting great results.

[00:03:11] Turn on your mute please. Somebody had ordered dinner. we might all be hungry. I know we are, but if you have like 15 minutes left to a session, this has happened to me. I'm talking from experience I just wanna do this one. And what happens is you set it off into a negative,

[00:03:29] Things were going great. Someone still didn't hear us?

[00:03:33] Ann: This one

[00:03:35] Lynn.

[00:03:39] Not Lynn. talk about sleep

[00:03:40] Ann: and

[00:03:40] trauma. next let's talk about your most challenging client, honestly, right? We're not gonna talk about the easy clients. The challenging clients are the ones we really want to help.

[00:03:49] We want to have success. Honestly, one of the first questions is, how did you sleep last night? And how have you been sleeping? over the last year, if I don't hear that, you feel refreshed just about every morning, you're not healing,

[00:04:08] You're not healing. if you have chronic issues, chronic pain, start with fundamentals of sleep. today we hear a lot about sleep medicine. we use CBD product no light in the blinds and, try to pull out as many plugs as we can.

[00:04:26] There's many things, we know about sleep. it's a whole science now. sleep medicine is a thing. And honestly, if you have a client that you know, sound like they're sleeping and it's beyond your scope of practice, honestly, I'd have a sleep medicine specialist on your referral network.

[00:04:44] And we'll talk about referrals a little bit later, right? You get someone to refer them to because ho honestly, they can feel better, but likely hit a plateau if they're not sleeping. Mm-hmm. They're not going to get a hundred percent. Better where you want them to be, and it'll slow down progress.

[00:04:59] start early in your session you have their business card and the sleep medicine referral,

[00:05:04] get them on your table. and invite them to a session.

[00:05:08] That's the start of building your network they understand what you do and could be a referral, The next thing is trauma. a lot of us have had trauma people have been through trauma, let's talk about something like a frozen shoulder.

[00:05:25] there's an unknown etiology. If you look it up at Mayo or you know, WebMD. What is the cause? A lot of it is unknown, but they do know more than they used to. It happens to females more than males. Mm-hmm. So then they think, oh, maybe it's perimenopausal. They were thinking that, 'cause it's more like 35 to 45 and there's outliers, but they're still not sure about that.

[00:05:54] But I've had a person who said, when I said to them, when you first got your frozen shoulder, what happened around that time? Or within that year, I heard my loved one passed away. Mm-hmm. Getting a little emotional right now, getting some goose goosey coming up on my arms here.

[00:06:19] They didn't realize it processed their sorrow, their grief, and it goes into the shoulder. they call it frozen shoulder adhesive capsulitis, but there's a loss they haven't fully processed. I don't want to put you on the spot, Tim, but welcome Tim Clark

[00:06:37] I don't know if you wanna speak a little bit on grief and loss, as you were in the pastoral business. I hate to say business.

[00:06:45] Tim: for a while. I don't know if I'm coming through or not. Yes, you are. Thank you. yeah, I'm just nodding because whatever we are experiencing is stored in our body

[00:06:53] Jeannie: in your email there's a zoom link.

[00:06:55] they're all on another page. does anybody know who that

[00:06:58] is?

[00:06:58] Ann: Somebody. What are you saying?

[00:06:59] Jeannie: Are you, am I on there? Jeanie?

[00:07:01] Hey Jeanie.

[00:07:03] Jeannie: I was on it and so I know Joe Watson and a couple other people are on there.

[00:07:07] All right. Do you, you mean

[00:07:08] they didn't turn off the audio? they're not muted?

[00:07:10] Jeannie: No, they're on the wrong page. I'm gonna, DM Joe Take care, Jean. thanks.

[00:07:16] Ann: Jean's one of our teachers.

[00:07:18] If you can mute when you don't need to speak

[00:07:20] I don't think you're muted.

[00:07:21] Ann: She's quiet.

[00:07:21] She has earphones. go ahead Jean.

[00:07:24] Tim: I did pastoral care with kids and families for about 20 years, so much of what we experience emotions are a bodily experience.

[00:07:30] They're not. A mental experience. our gut churns, stomach tightens chest pounds. emotions are a physical embodied thing. So I, I would say two things, which you said about what you said, Chris. I, I had a, I've had a couple people with frozen shoulder in the last one, a farmer. I asked what was going on and, it was that, they had planted and then terrible rains wiped almost everything out.

[00:07:55] And then the herd of cattle they raised was in trouble and they had to either sell it or lose. one day he got up and couldn't move his shoulder.

[00:08:03] I connected with some people through Mayo.

[00:08:06] And that's one of the things they said Nobody knows what causes frozen shoulder, just like you said. Mm-hmm. more and more they're saying we have to pay attention to the mental and emotional, situation with the patient. when I lost my mom two years ago, I got up one morning and it was her birthday.

[00:08:19] So she'd been gone three or four months, got up on her birthday, an emotional day. I literally could not lift my arms My shoulders were frozen locked and in pain. So, yeah, there's something there. I mean, and my, the third thing, my acupuncturist, when he was treating me for the grief stuff, all those points are around the shoulder.

[00:08:39] I think there's something emotional we need to attend to.

[00:08:43] Thank you for sharing. This was not prearranged. I didn't, I didn't know Tim was gonna be here. And, and, and there you go. yeah. You substantiated what you just said. it's a thing, right?

[00:08:53] it's a real thing. We need to pay attention before the shoulder gets frozen, the person needs to seek out. Do you have any, suggestions who should someone speak to? a good friend is good, but what do you suggest for someone who needs grief counseling to process so they don't, suffer unduly.

[00:09:11] What would you recommend to have your referral network for this justice thing?

[00:09:16] Tim: I know a couple therapists who specialize in helping people through grief, and so that's what I've done in the past or through trauma. I had a client in his mid fifties, successful in the financial world, former professional athlete.

[00:09:28] he had gotten to the point where he could barely move his back.

[00:09:32] Oh my goodness.

[00:09:32] Tim: Yeah. And I'd said, well, I, and he'd come in and we'd work and then he'd go away feeling some relief. And one day he just, you know, broke into tears on the table and started apologizing. And he said, just Terry, it's okay. And we can work on your back every week.

[00:09:47] at what point do you think you need to talk to somebody? a job had become insane, a painful divorce

[00:09:55] college

[00:09:56] Tim: daughter with anxiety, you know, and it was, and it just had lodged itself there. So, however those things do. So anyway, I, I refer to a couple therapists and just 'cause that's way beyond my scope.

[00:10:09] So it's just to say, Hey, there's a couple people, you know, to talk to, talk to.

[00:10:16] Ann: So I'm gonna ask.

[00:10:17] Tim: Thank

[00:10:17] you so much,

[00:10:18] Ann: Tim. Tim, Tara, I'm gonna ask you to speak on this since this is your thing,

[00:10:21] everybody, this is Tara,

[00:10:23] Ann: part of our FST family.

[00:10:24] Let's have you, let's have you unmute Tara.

[00:10:26] Ann: She does a really spec, a really unique thing, and I'll let her explain it.

[00:10:30] We ran into Tara at a, conference A month ago. she recognized me because you guys appreciate this. I walked into the woman's bathroom and all the women are standing around and I looked under the stalls and announced to see if they're empty at the urinals,

[00:10:47] Tara, tell these lovely members of our family what you do with FST and your expertise.

[00:10:53] I combine hypnotherapy with FST and I've been in the business, 35 years plus, but in FST much less time. I combined the two because using hypnotherapy I was getting great results.

[00:11:07] But when you do the mind body connection, the results are phenomenal. It's a combination made in heaven. the body keeps the score. What's the Dutch author's name? Vander. He talks about somatic psychology, where you have the psychologist, in your case, hypnotherapist and other mental health workers, and they work with the body workers.

[00:11:30] But even if you know, you're not, say hypnotherapist or a therapist, you can use metaphors. I can't stand it. I can't stomach it, I can't face it. that will give a greater release too. different body parts, like I can't stand it.

[00:11:46] Generally you would absorb emotions in the legs. So it's a combination of cleaning up emotions too. you will double your results because you're doing emotional cleaning as well as the physical body cleaning from the FT. Mm-hmm. That's wonderful.

[00:12:04] Can I ask you, Tara? Do you do online, hypnotherapy consultation with any of our clients that we could refer? Oh, sure. that's not an issue. I'm finally getting used to the digital world.

[00:12:17] All right. you can be part of our network of referrals for Something outside our scope.

[00:12:21] Excellent. a lot of people have heart attacks, very common, right? Mm-hmm. they have sternotomy where they cut the sternum we think, it's physical, but every person that goes through a heart attack goes through major depression within two years.

[00:12:35] how can we work with people knowing it's not just the physical. Especially when you have a heart attack. There's other things beyond cholesterol that can create heart attacks. Right? the heart is also, two things. It's a physical and an emotional. So when you are treating them and you think of it as both ways, everything they've stored in their heart, including their grief is attached to the heartbeat.

[00:13:00] Student 1: thanks for sharing

[00:13:01] I appreciate you saying that. my biggest concern or my gaps are. Or more the fact that like, I'm not rigid in terms of LA out edge jargon. That's where my problem

[00:13:12] I would expect nothing less from you. Right?

[00:13:21] was he talking to me or you? Chris? I'm not sure

[00:13:26] Ann: Who's speaking? We don't see a face.

[00:13:31] I don't know.

[00:13:32] Tim: I guess it's over.

[00:13:34] Ann: Hmm. Okay. Pain, stiffness.

[00:13:37] The next thing, the, the next thing to, understand where you work with people. So we, we go through the intake, the questioning to understand pain? Is it physical?

[00:13:46] But again, we're not psychologists. We just need that awareness. at the same time, we're treating the whole person in physical therapy. with my mentors and certain physicians we're learning not to treat the diagnosis.

[00:13:57] If someone comes in and they say, my doctor said I have, you know, osteoarthritis, severe osteoarthritis in my lumbar spine, L four, L five, L five S one, we don't treat that, the client comes in and says, that's what my doctor says.

[00:14:13] I have rotator cuff tear or this, that, and the other thing. That's not what we're treating. We're treating the whole person. if you have the fascial model, trauma could be coming from somewhere else, especially if it's chronic and been there for years.

[00:14:29] You need to know what the inflammation, what precautions there are. what stage of healing they're in. be careful if something was just torn. I mean, that's pretty logical, but when something's been stabilized after 10, you know, 5, 10, 20 years, and, but they still have pain, most of it's not coming from that thing they identify with.

[00:14:48] Whether it's a disc bulge, rotator cuff, or sciatica, you have to respect it and know. If there is a condition or disease, but too many times with a chronic problem, they've been living with it. We need to look at all of it. we can get into the rabbit hole just working on that shoulder and just working on that hip and they're getting better.

[00:15:10] 'cause FST helps a lot regardless, but they hit a plateau get away from the shoulder, get away from the hip, work on that foot, even though they didn't come in with a foot problem. Work on the neck shoulder, even though they didn't come up with a neck shoulder problem.

[00:15:26] Because through that connective tissue, they have a disconnection That's how I'm looking at it Neural fascial, myofascial muscle activation. It's just a disconnection. ST helps restore the connective tissue.

[00:15:41] We can get lost in the rabbit hole and need to step back and look at the forest, not the tree we've been chopping at, set it free with FST, step back and look at the whole story.

[00:15:52] Hannah: Ability to treat pain.

[00:15:53] Ability to treat pain. discuss that.

[00:15:56] Stretch lady says you must discuss the ability to treat pain. we're talking about scope of practice. I'm medically trained as you, know, physical therapist. we're evolving the profession of FST to a level of being actually a major team player in the somatic psychologist, the physician, the physical therapist, and the FSC practitioner.

[00:16:20] they do what you don't do, redo what they don't do. as an independent practitioner, you can take care of a lot of things through bouncing out the neuro myofascial system, basically the connective tissue. Some of you guys are, not muted and we hear you.

[00:16:41] Can you mute please? Thank you. Brandon, I think, or maybe not. We see you blinking. It's

[00:16:47] Ann: not muted. You can see if they're muted or not.

[00:16:49] You can be the mute please. I am the mute. Please mute. Ability to mute everyone

[00:16:54] I think we have that ability.

[00:16:56] Ann: Mute

[00:16:56] all. Allow participants to mute themselves.

[00:16:59] Unmute themselves.

[00:17:00] There we go. Thank you for that.

[00:17:04] Technology's wonderful when you understand it. Alright, so as I was saying, what was I saying?

[00:17:09] Ann: You were saying basically when you got somebody that's got pain and it's beyond your scope of practice. Medically.

[00:17:16] Right. She was paying attention.

[00:17:18] Ann: Yeah. It's my job. Great.

[00:17:20] After 25 years marriage, we hear what we wanna hear.

[00:17:24] Right after that. Long marriage,

[00:17:26] Student 2: what'd you say?

[00:17:28] We are getting a hearing check pretty soon. It's pretty good. It's, staying within your scope of practice. honestly, without a medical degree, you're helping so many people walk when they couldn't Avoid surgery when the doctor said they need a replacement.

[00:17:44] And that's incredible. But with success comes great responsibility be careful of using certain words. If you're not a therapist We'll just reiterate that 'cause people are listening If you work in a gym They're listening to what you say.

[00:17:57] your client may repeat it to someone else. If you're trained in fascial stretch therapy, you are a practitioner. Doctors are practitioners. it's a very high level word.

[00:18:07] you're not a therapist if you're not licensed. So I, I would be careful to say you're not, I would not say you're a fascial stretch therapist because. the therapy world gets threatened if you don't have a massage license, they think you're misrepresenting yourself.

[00:18:21] just be aware mm-hmm. Of language and how that can be sense. 'cause people get territorial. Mm-hmm. Professions get territorial and we say these things to keep you guys in the light and not have to deal with that. I had to defend a couple of people by the massage board of Oregon and I got 'em free, but they were like, you're practicing massage.

[00:18:40] I was like, they're stretching. they're not doing advanced level three work. how would you call stretching, massage? they were acting like we're the only ones allowed to stretch no, you're not. I straightened that out. Keep it clear and clean.

[00:18:56] you're doing assisted stretching, you're doing fascist stretch therapy. It's called fascist stretch therapy. 'cause it has therapeutic effects. But if you're not a therapist licensed, you're a practitioner of FST. Mm-hmm. To clarify, some people are still confused about that.

[00:19:13] Just to clarify things, questions, any questions at this point about anything we've been talking about? Put it open to,

[00:19:20] Ann: you have to unmute 'em so they can have a question. Yeah,

[00:19:22] you're right. That's another story. Gimme a second, but think about a question if you have one.

[00:19:27] Allow participants to unmute themselves. Does anyone have a question? Nell, you can you, you are physically raising your hand. You can virtually raise your hand. How about unmuting yourself?

[00:19:36] unless you need me to do it.

[00:19:38] Oh no, this says allow participants to unmute themselves. Okay.

[00:19:42] Ann: Let's see,

[00:19:43] ask to unmute. okay, it's unmuted. There she is. I have a question. I had a client who had an emotional release on the table, probably processing some trauma.

[00:19:55] And I don't, I don't preface when new clients come in, like this can bring up like things like emotions in the body unless it seems relevant to their situation. And they left like, not negative, but like I wasn't expecting to have all that come up. And I'm wondering, do you guys include any of that in your intake in terms of emotional or trauma stuff

[00:20:16] Ann: I think one of the things now is giving people. the safe space and permission, right? So there's this delicate balance of not

[00:20:33] thinking they're going to be encouraged to have an emotional response like that's part of the process.

[00:20:40] there needs to be that safe space, and it's embarrassing when it happens, particularly on a first visit. And so I think one of the things is, it is a very good idea to say we store trauma and emotions in the body, and this work gives you the safe space to experience it.

[00:21:00] it's perfectly fine, not unusual. giving people the opportunity to know it's possible. And it also has its own timing. It is never, ever convenient. It is always something that's gonna, without fail happens when you're having a crappy day. That's exactly how it always works.

[00:21:20] It's not you wake up in the morning going, God, I hope I have a real good emotional release with somebody today. I am ready. It just doesn't work like that. So I think, I think maybe giving people the understanding that it is a possibility because the work we're doing is done in a safe space with a loving person.

[00:21:38] And it's a beautiful thing. you can certainly let them know that it's not uncommon and it is a safe space to have it happen. And part of the healing process we live in a world where that's rare and it's amazing

[00:21:51] has that person come back

[00:21:52] they told me they would he's a massage therapist. I feel like he was feeling it come out and he resisted it, and also because maybe he's a male and like it was the first time. we store these things in the body and sometimes things come out.

[00:22:02] I like that.

[00:22:03] Ann: it's a nice, safe way to make it. he's a therapist. probably an empath sucking people's stuff in for years. And it's full. most of the time that little teeny valve opens and out it comes.

[00:22:16] Mm-hmm. Okay. would it be helpful, first of all, do you put it in writing without being too suggestive?

[00:22:24] you don't wanna make that the central aspect of what FST is. But I think to mention that it's okay if something happens. Do you have that in writing, in your, in an introduction to your place anywhere mm-hmm. To read about what you do? Is that there or not a stick?

[00:22:40] I wouldn't say it's in writing, but my new client spiel, after I hear their story and explain deeper what we're gonna do, I think adding that trauma is stored in the body might be enough most people don't read everything I write anyway.

[00:22:51] Right? They don't. I know my

[00:22:52] Ann: students don't.

[00:22:53] what does everyone think with a quick nod, yes or no? it might be helpful for us to write a description that includes some statement along those lines. Most people are saying yes,

[00:23:04] Student 2: she says yes,

[00:23:05] and I'm, I think I'll reach out, thank you to, to people like Tara and others with a little health.

[00:23:10] I'll run it by you guys who work with, mental health and grief to have a short. Sense, you know, just sensitive statement that doesn't scare people. Mm-hmm. But it allows them to know the possibilities are there.

[00:23:25] Ann: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

[00:23:25] And it's okay that we're okay with it

[00:23:27] Ann: Absolutely. Thank you ne I appreciate that. Thank you.

[00:23:30] Ne Yeah. You're stimulating the, to clarify what FST is, FST is treating the body, mind, spirit, right? It's treating the whole person. Mm-hmm. And that is part of the whole person.

[00:23:39] Student 2: Yeah. We don't

[00:23:40] want to discourage it and we're not saying, let's get into sweat lodge rebirthing, that's all great.

[00:23:46] Right. And some of you guys may be combining all of that, a sweat lodge, rebirthing and FST. Wow. But most of us aren't. keeping it safe and clear. Great. Thank you.

[00:23:59] Ann: Are there any other questions?

[00:24:05] Nope. Okay.

[00:24:05] That's all right.

[00:24:06] Ann: We're not dead.

[00:24:07] not done yet.

[00:24:09] Ann: Sorry. That's a

[00:24:10] Monty Python thing. It's all right. And you young ones are like, who are they?

[00:24:12] Ann: It's alright, speaking of that thank you. That's a perfect, launch.

[00:24:16] We're gonna talk, we're gonna go to the land of, of the importance of safe touch it's interesting thing when, and I'm gonna just mention when Chris and I dialogue about who's gonna talk about what, the whole thing about creating safe touch in this world that we live in and the whole thing about it being, so imperative that.

[00:24:43] You guys are listening, and it goes back to Chris's intake. When you listen to people hear what they're not saying, it's not always what they say, it's what they don't say. That you listen in between that and you listen to see if there are things in their past that it is crucial to let them know they're in a safe place.

[00:25:08] It's not gonna hurt. that to me is the most imperative piece of where FST begins and has to always remain. one of the things that is concerning to me is when folks come back, particularly from level one to level two, and they're going too fast and they're going too hard and they've got an agenda and they're not listening to the tissue and trying to go through the click list of what they think is supposed to happen,

[00:25:35] The principle of this technique is, about slowing down listening and not being in a hurry. we live in a world where everything is over the top. under the premise of bigger is better. the longer I do this work, the more subtle, the less I do, the more I weight and the bigger gains I get.

[00:25:59] And I'm talking my giant boys.

[00:26:02] It's incredible. Can you tell the story about working with your current a Ann and I still work on clients, not as many, but this one giant she's worked on. You gotta hear about this and the difference between what he said when he saw someone else who's a wonderful practitioner.

[00:26:17] this gentleman is six eight and 325 pounds. He's an O line. I've taken care of him since the end of his rookie year. We're now heading into our third year contract I have the ability, I'm sort of hypnotic.

[00:26:28] Ann: I put him to sleep in about 13 seconds once they lay down. I'm on my own, which I prefer. It's quieter he traveled around the country and came back to me saying, these people I'm seeing, don't seem to be able to lift me.

[00:26:41] They think I'm supposed to help them and I don't like that. I don't like having to wake up and help 'em. It wrecks my experience they shake a lot strain and sweat hard. when they find out that you're the one that takes care of me, they're even more nervous and upset about it.

[00:27:00] And I said, there's a skillset to lifting giant people I've spent a lifetime doing. it can be challenging if it's not what you do on a regular basis. But what I have learned outta that guys is the more relaxed in my body I can be, the more efficient I can be to move them.

[00:27:19] so much of the time when you think effort is what it is, you're missing the boat. One of the things that I love the absolute best is the ability to sink my breath to their breath and to slow them down through my breath. And if one of the things that is a massive, learning tool is when you syn with their breath, and if they are panicking and you try to coach them through the breath.

[00:27:51] You are missing their panic. So I never coach breath, particularly ICUs. So as anything that's gonna have the potential for an emotional space, I never coach it because I don't wanna miss any sort of sign of them panicking. So I have the belief system that I just wait and let their breath tell me the story.

[00:28:18] And sometimes that means pausing to give them space to know there's a synergy that goes back to the magic of FST is because it's with the person not on them, at them or to them ever, no matter what it is. And when you stay in that synergistic dance, it continues to be this marvelous, growth that happens together.

[00:28:44] my goal is to see how little effort you can use every single time you go into a session. How much energy can you have for you at the end of the day? How much energy can you have at the end of what would normally be a tough session? That's how I gauge how well I do. Not the result, but how relaxed I am at the end.

[00:29:06] Lately, I've been giving the cue to students, I said it this week. feel FST not me. let your client feel the work, the intention, not you, your tension. Feel the intention of the work, not the tension of your body. Mm-hmm. Your stress, your e your too much effort.

[00:29:27] Because students use excessive effort I understand that. But I'm always trying to become as soft as I can with the person. Like Anne has said in my own way. people say, you look like you're doing Tai Chi, which I used to, I still practice Qigong, a type of Chinese movement.

[00:29:43] it's flowing. Tai Chi's slow balanced and flowing too much. Force excessive, too little force deficient. Mm-hmm. It's always trying to find that sweet spot in my own body. I will keep changing my feet, my hands, I'll sit, I'll stand until I'm comfortable and then they're more comfortable.

[00:30:01] Mm-hmm. we're both in the zone. Mm-hmm. That's the ideal session, always trying to achieve that. So

[00:30:07] Ann: it was interesting. I, And I wanna give you this, this analogy because the gentleman that I was just mentioning, my big guy, I treated him and then right after I treated my accountant and my accountant has had chronic headaches her entire, from her teenage years to, her mid sixties.

[00:30:26] and her husband actually is gonna come do the training. He's a lovely gentleman that wants to always help her. And she's had chronic headaches. I had just finished working on Paris my NFL gentleman. going from his size and then I have this gal, and I put, I was doing a little bit of just, gentle kind of assessing where she was at.

[00:30:49] And I put my hands on her and her husband, who's curious and wants to help, says, what does that feel like? she says, it feels like a butterfly just landed on me. I said, that is really cool. I'm gonna use that the next time I talk to my kids. And she said, you don't feel like a butterfly when you land on me when she's talking to her husband.

[00:31:09] I felt her cranium and her bones had been massively shifted and nobody had ever put their hands on her head. And I said to her, when we got done, I said, have, have you ever had a head trauma? And she goes, no, no, never had a head trauma.

[00:31:24] And then she goes, well my brother shot me when I was a teenager and I fell back on the cement. And I said, when did your headache start? She goes right after that. And I said, okay. I think there's something there. Well, when I got done with her, she reported her headache was gone for the first time in about 50 years, and it still hasn't come back.

[00:31:52] when I saw her again, her cranial bones had stayed because she was ready. the dichotomy of working on this giant 325 pound boy to a cranium, that's FST. in a nutshell. it's done gently and effortlessly.

[00:32:09] do we have any questions before we

[00:32:11] Ann: Shift gears to our final topic.

[00:32:13] Can you unmute or do I have to do it?

[00:32:15] Hannah: Okay, perfect. Got it.

[00:32:16] Ann, can you talk about the difference between going there with the client, which you had, and allowing them to use

[00:32:27] Your calm energy to go to the place they need to go, because You do have a client who gets stuck. asking her spirit guides if she can go to the place where we want to go. she's very much into past life regression and stuff.

[00:32:49] Ann: one of the most important things, Hannah, is to realize there's stuff is theirs.

[00:32:53] It's not your, and so you create the space, you hold the space, but at no point in time do you step into their space. Yep. So it is, it is an absolute non-negotiable boundary that has to happen. And I think one of the things about journeys are we can observe them, we can hold space for them, we can't be in them.

[00:33:18] giving them permission to have space, but realizing you'll support them, but you are not going to be in there with them. Yeah. And so that is the kind of thing that for me, I hold space, but never, move towards it because it's not mine to own. there are many ways to come to terms with that.

[00:33:39] Ann: I don't like to give advice because it's personal and changes per person.

[00:33:43] Mm-hmm.

[00:33:44] Ann: I think you have different ways you have to handle that depending on who it is and how well you know them and where they're going. And I've had people go through some stuff that is pretty scary that I want nothing to do with.

[00:33:59] Yep. Just hold space. you have to stand your ground on it and not waver, and not step out of the boat and fall into the water with them. Yep. Okay.

[00:34:09] Hannah: Absolutely.

[00:34:09] Ann: nor should you

[00:34:10] Hannah: Nor should you.

[00:34:11] That's the whole point. Nor should you, it creates a little bit of tension because I know I don't wanna go there and I'm trying to still hold space for what she believes. And allow her to feel safe in the touch and the movement we're doing. there is a clash or dichotomy because I'm trying not to go where she is.

[00:34:36] Thank you, Hannah.

[00:34:37] Anybody else, any other questions along those lines or whatever line you wanna talk about?

[00:34:42] Ann: Let's move to, referrals. Okay. Because we're six 20, if not,

[00:34:46] we're moving to referrals. We have about another 10 minutes.

[00:34:49] Ann: this is my advice for those of you in practice

[00:34:52] as I was explaining to Chris, my goal was to always get a network of people that I could refer out to. And in that network has to be a spectrum of people. You have got to have, the balance of the medical, the mental health psychological piece, looking Back to the intake of what is going on in their life.

[00:35:19] Do they need a sleep specialist? Do they need a nutritionalist? Do they need to go see a orthopedic surgeon? Do they need to get some sort of imaging to see is there something going on that needs to get an MRI or a CAT scan or something to clear something out? Is there something that's past your scope and you need to refer out?

[00:35:38] And that's listening to knowing what your scope is and knowing intuitively, this is past my, my, capacity and to truly help this person, I have to hand this over knowing that that is the professional, ethical thing to do. I always had, I hired a physical therapist. It was one of the best hires I ever, probably the best hire.

[00:35:57] Yes. I'm thinking you get to stay on payroll this month. So I'm, I am thinking that that's a crucial thing, but what I'm saying to you is every. All the people you refer to, you really truly need to try to get 'em on the table so they understand what you do. And sometimes you gotta take your table to 'em.

[00:36:15] Sometimes you gotta do it at a weird time on a Sunday morning. Sometimes you gotta push your schedule to accommodate them, I love when doctors get on the table argue about where the back pain's coming from. And then you do whatever you do to unlock their SOAs and their glutes and they go, oh my God, you're right.

[00:36:32] It's not my hamstrings. I love when they are open enough for that.

[00:36:37] speaking of that, physicians what kind of physician is at the top of our list? There's these docs that are doing regenerative medicine now, which you may or may not have heard of Regenerative medicine and you may or may not have heard of prolotherapy.

[00:36:57] PRP, plasma rich protein injections and hydro dissection. most of you have not heard of that. This is the cutting edge of preventing surgery now, and the best docs know where to do the injections better than other docs that are just kind of doing shotgun approach of prolo prolo everywhere.

[00:37:16] Mm-hmm. Which doesn't actually always work. We've had the privilege, I ha I started the relationship with a physician, a while ago, some years got the Fascia Research Congress. And anyway, just to tell you the, nutshell, we went to his clinic, worked on his complex patients, and worked on him.

[00:37:37] I had the privilege of working on one of the patients. His nerve was stuck and I did a nerve movement. we taught in level three medical when we had medical, and then we, that's an assisted nerve movement. And then there's a self nerve movement. But I, I tried the medical version of trying to treat this nerve with fascial stretch therapy.

[00:37:56] I call it neuro FST. Which I'd love to eventually teach you guys I'm looking at the ultrasound screen and see the nerve getting caught. I feel it at the same time that I see it. And the doctor says, I'm now going to hydros dissect, which means he's going to put in a biocompatible, mixture and peel the adhesion to free the nerve.

[00:38:18] as he does that the arm is stuck here, it opens, it opens, it opens all the way from that injection. It was incredible just to see. And so these kinds of docs understand fascia Talk about. strengthening or stabilizing fascia where it's weak, from an injury, tear or hypermobility.

[00:38:38] Mm-hmm. That's just not getting better. Despite doing stabilization exercise like a ligament that you sprain 20 times in your ankle, it's not gonna get tighter. Versus that's to tighten something versus something to loosen something. So the hydro dissection is to loosen facia where it's stuck and tight and glued.

[00:38:57] That's hydro dissection and prolotherapy and PRP is used to tighten and stabilize and strengthen because it's not happening any other way. clients hitting these plateaus These docs see fascia the way we do. you stretch what's tight and stabilize what's too loose.

[00:39:14] we need to know who they are. they need to be on our network 'cause they do amazing work. we're in the process of telling you the people we know. you have clients that will fly to them. I'm going to Denver and I'm seeing one of them. Mm-hmm. I'm getting, I'm getting a procedure next month.

[00:39:28] Mm-hmm. And I'll do a writeup about it. So you, I'll share with you guys mm-hmm. To see what the deficit is. 'cause a lot of clients have this in their low back sacrum and hip. I'll tell you my story. Am I getting better? Did my strength change and all that? It will inform you for your issues, for your family issues, and then find docs in your area.

[00:39:46] these docs are training other docs. These are the top docs we're presenting at their summit in June it's about the cervical, thoracic, and shoulder. Last year was about the low back and pelvis.

[00:39:55] I'm bringing this new progressive medical treatments out. To inform you guys, and I'm just so excited about, 'cause this is very, effective fascial therapy mm-hmm. That we don't do. Mm-hmm. And we just need to know about it. So we can send our clients to it and we know ourselves, we, we need someone to go to.

[00:40:15] Mm-hmm. And hopefully someone can get trained in your area too. Mm-hmm. So they can get trained by these docs. Mm-hmm. I think we're done. Anything else with the referrals? Any questions about that?

[00:40:24] Ann: Chris? Krista, do you have a question? Krista does Honey

[00:40:26] Krista, you wanna me unmute or me to do it? I think she's like, I don't know. Let's asking. She said I don't know. So let's see. Cast on mute. I just

[00:40:40] Student 2: didn't unmute. I was just gonna ask if you had, any referral list for this type of doctor, but it sounds like you're

[00:40:45] I will,

[00:40:46] I have it and I'm getting my marketing person to start putting up places I interviewed about. Seven docs. top docs and physios doing this work. they know about you through us. Mm-hmm. And then, and the doctor that we work with in Austin, Texas mm-hmm.

[00:41:02] He's already referring to the local Austin FST people. they're getting informed about you guys. that's exactly what we want. We wanna work collaboratively with these. caring docs They recognize we need a network.

[00:41:16] They understand that what you do is important. they need to know who to refer their clients to. this is developing. it's a bud. a seed. And It's growing fast. exciting stuff.

[00:41:24] Student 2: Amazing.

[00:41:25] I'll share that network with you.

[00:41:26] Student 2: Thank you. I submitted a question on arthritis. I know there are contraindications with arthritis.

[00:41:33] depends on the kind. are you talking osteoarthritis or rheumatoid arthritis

[00:41:37] Student 2: the clients I have right now have osteoarthritis.

[00:41:40] Mild, moderate, severe.

[00:41:41] Student 2: it's getting towards severe.

[00:41:43] Okay. Where is it?

[00:41:46] Student 2: Hip. He's looking at a hip replacement, but the abduction in his legs is like, maybe this. flexion rotation, everything seems to be shrinking over time, but it's those nerve twinges, it doesn't seem like a capsule thing just certain spots hit.

[00:42:01] Yeah. if you make his name anonymous and, get a copy of his x-ray report, x-ray's more important than MRI send it to me. I'll share it anonymously So we can all learn. I'll consult on it with you and we'll put it in the community area.

[00:42:15] We'll put it on the Facebook and the community area. That'd be amazing. So they can all, we can all learn from it. We have

[00:42:19] Ann: an orthopedic surgeon in Australia that's an FST guide that uses FST to screen out if people need hips. he may take a look for you,

[00:42:26] I'd love that. Thank you.

[00:42:27] that's a really good idea.

[00:42:29] get that to me please.

[00:42:30] put it in the community and tag me either Facebook or Kajabi.

[00:42:32] Ann: exciting news I got the study from my medical students ready to go to publication this morning.

[00:42:37] with the results. go ahead Tim. Just excited for that. Tim, what you got?

[00:42:42] Tim: to piggyback from what you were saying, Anne. as I've expanded my network I'm able to narrow my focus and scope.

[00:42:49] I don't worry about any of the diagnostic stuff or anything anymore because I just, with a big network I can say, I want you to see Dr. Void, or so and so, or, you know. And the other thing that's helpful is that then when you were talking about safe touch and those things

[00:43:03] I have clients who are mental health therapists, and one of them even has had that experience of some kind of release. They've been able to help just kind of, here's how to talk about it without, trying to resolve or fix it or do anything with it. Yeah. So those people have helped me, you know, learn how to stay within my scope comfortably.

[00:43:23] there's a part of me that always wants to help.

[00:43:25] Ann: one of the things we're doing, is we're going to put a short video for the new students to give them an idea. Of what they're stepping into.

[00:43:32] a lot of people are naive and innocent walking in not knowing this is part of what's gonna happen so that they understand that that is a, quite a, quite a, definite possibility of what's gonna happen with the work.

[00:43:45] oftentimes, it makes you come to terms with your own stuff. And that's part of the healing too, is getting to know that you get to heal through them healing and they get to heal through you healing. It's this beautiful synergy and I absolutely adore that.

[00:44:03] Well, we're at 6 31 our time, so any final thoughts or questions? This was great Let's do more. Thank you. iPhone number two. Anyone else, anything? Ne

[00:44:20] Ann: do you have to unmute her? No, I think I have to. Tara

[00:44:24] Go for it. Ne I have this client who, whenever I work on him, he jerks every so often and I'm wondering whether to send him to a doctor.

[00:44:36] maybe this could be early onset of Parkinson's. Maybe it's trauma. I don't know. I keep trying to get gentler and just like out of nowhere, spasm we're trying to figure it out. Does it hurt? he has pain and he just texted me today he said that when he's anxious, like he feels like more so I think it's trauma.

[00:44:55] anxious could increase, Tourettes or anything Restless leg syndrome happens to a lot of people as they get older. it could come from any twitch. not just your legs.

[00:45:06] That's why I'm mentioning it. it's enough for a lot of people. It's just an electrolyte imbalance. So I've told people, just try smart water. Mm-hmm. Any kinda electrolyte water, just give it a try. Hardly cost anything. And I, I've had about 80% of people say, oh my God, it went away.

[00:45:23] It's like, why didn't the doctor say this? The other thing is, it could be an underlying, We are always in a phase change from birth through passing. Every day is different. you don't know if something's rising like A pimple then it goes away.

[00:45:39] Right. things like that can be at worst case scenario. Maybe they're developing something. like multiple sclerosis. Mm-hmm. I'm not saying it is, but if they have hyperreflexia

[00:45:50] when you do something, they tremor that could be a sign Definitely. That, that they should go to a neurologist like soon to see what that's all about. Mm-hmm. A spasm is different. Right. A quick, a quick stretch can make you pull back. Mm-hmm. so there's all kinds of little things that can tick it off and anxiety will accentuate

[00:46:09] An underlying thing. Mm-hmm. So it could be many things. It depends on if that happens to that same area. Mm-hmm. All the time. Or it's generalized. if you monitor it and discuss it more in the community mm-hmm. Without mentioning whose name it is. Mm-hmm. You, you guys never do that.

[00:46:25] Just keep it anonymous I'm happy to jump in help and offer you suggestions, maybe get a little more information. 'cause it could be lots of different things. Okay. We'll, we'll continue to monitor, but I'm leading in the direction of maybe a neurologist.

[00:46:39] Ann: Go with your gut

[00:46:40] It could be, you know, tort is where they have it turned in their head.

[00:46:44] Ann: Right, Joe. Right.

[00:46:49] Thank you. You're

[00:46:50] welcome. This is wonderful, Krista. Thank you. Thank you guys.

[00:46:53] We'll keep it going. We have more stuff coming. we'll share the referral network I mentioned.

[00:46:57] Ann: Lots of fun changes, guys.

[00:46:59] We appreciate, Love

[00:47:00] Ann: you guys. Keep in

[00:47:01] touch,

[00:47:01] Ann: keep doing your beautiful work.

[00:47:02] A lot of exciting stuff. Take care